Alistair pointed me at this clip.
A bit more of the familiar Rollins technique of taking a concept and saying it’s only value is in rejecting it.
But in this case, I think I agree with most of what he says.
There are still a lot of BUTS though. The absence of Leadership leaves a vacuum that requires- leadership. (Note the subtle lack of a capital letter!) It is not whether we have leaders that exercises my thoughts at the moment, but rather what kind, and how they lead- particularly in the way of church.